Oooo, did you say "if you can grow any HP"? That could be me. With some exceptions, I have much better luck with HP disease resistance than Bourbon disease resistance. MIP is a foliage disaster here! I'd vote her Most Likely to Blackspot. OTN has a beautiful bloom, and HMF advertises it as disease resistant. Is its fragrance as delicious as its flower? When I run out of room in my garden, I'll ambush my friends and commandeer their real estate. Carol

Oh, I wouldn't want to cut it, and miss it opening on the bush. Later in the year, maybe -- but not this first bloom of the season. Ingrid, I bet she'd be great for you.

SO beautiful, Jeri! I’m really excited, because my little baby OTN is putting on a lot of new growth this year...last year, I let one bloom open and it was heavenly. Thank you for sharing this inspiration. 😊

I see now that the HMF description (written by??) says: ”Tall, arching, armed with thorns / prickles, bushy, suckers on its own roots, upright. Large, matte, medium green, fragrant foliage. 3 to 7 leaflets.” (In addition to the comment by Cass that you quoted, Linda.) I wonder if ”suckers on its own roots” was added after Cass‘ experience…or was it original to the text when OTN was first listed on HMF? Completely different rose, but my 18-year-old Rose de Rescht started suckering after 7-8 years while others on the forum with mature RdR plants say that they have never experienced spreading through baby volunteers popping up around the mother plant. BUT 20 years is a long time for a potentially ”suckering plant” not to sucker at all. In my experience, suckering plants sucker sooner or later, more or less, closer or farther to the main plant, etc., but they usually sucker in some way…eventually. So, Jeri your experience with OTN as a non suckering rose after 20 years matches my own experiences with non suckering roses. But not Cass’ experience with her sucking OTN. (Inserting puzzled face.) Isn’t there an OTN plant in the San Jose Rose Garden? Carol